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Sunday, 16 July 2017
Researching a 1787 Double-Pair Cased Pocket Watch
A Double-Pair Cased Pocket Watch by P. Edmond, Dublin, 1787,
together with Chain and Wax Sealer
[From my own collection]
As my regular readers will probably attest, I delight in researching old family owned items in my possession, usually with quite some success. This example, being a 230 year old double-pair cased sterling silver pocket watch with a one day fusee chain drive and verge escarpment has proven no exception. I know who made it (or at least the case) and when, who sold it, who owned it, and even, quite surprisingly, who repaired it!
The Theory of the Fusee Drive
[Source : Wikipedia]
But first, the basics. By "double-pair", this simply refers to the pocket watch having an outer case which helped to protect the inner case and movement. The fusee chain drive is an ingenious system whereby the power exerted by the spring is applied to the watch movement by means of a spiral cone. When the watch is fully would the chain pulls from the narrowest part of the cone and when the spring winds down the chain is increasingly pulled from the wider part of the spiral cone. Thus a reasonably even "pull" is applied to the watch movement in order to maintain consistent timekeeping.
The Action of the Verge Escarpment
By the 1850's the simple but ingenious verge escarpment system, having been in common use since the 13th century, had been superseded by the more precise lever escarpment found in later watches. The speed of the verge escarpment watch was difficult to accurately regulate, friction and wear was excessive, and over time, due to wear, the movement would tend to speed up. The verge escarpment, being vertically placed within the movement along with the fusee drive, also made these watches unfashionably thick. Technology slowly advanced to make both of these regulation systems obsolete thus leading to the modern and virtually self regulating mechanical wrist watch which is still made and sought after today.
Silver Marks on Pocket Watch by
P. Edmond, Dublin, 1787
The inner and outer cases carry five hallmarks, firstly the manufacturer of the sterling silver case being "R.R", secondly the Lion's Head (with coronet) London City Assay office hallmark denoting the place of manufacture, thirdly the Lion Passant guardant certifying the silver quality, fourthly the Sovereign's Head Duty Mark (being of King George III which certifies the payment of duty for Sterling Silver), and fiftly, the date letter "M" for 1787 in a cartouche matched to this period.
Double-Pair Cased Pocket Watch by P. Edmond, Dublin, 1787,
showing the outer case open
The case maker, "R.R" is Richard Rowney, then having his premises on the corner of King Street, St Giles, London and trading as a Jeweller and Silversmith. In 1793 Rowney, now of Broad street, advertised that he was selling up his stock in trade and going into the wholesale perfumery business at 95 Holborn Hill with his brother Thomas Rowney, thereafter trading at "T&R Rowney". The business was dissolved in 1801 with both then going their separate ways. Richard Rowney became a "hair merchant and perfumer" while Thomas Rowney became a "colourman", preparing and retailing artists' colours. The well-known name of Rowney is still associated with artist's supplies today. Unfortunately, Richard Rowney and then still in business in the wholesale perfumery business along with his son, was made bankrupt in 1811. He died in 1824 aged 69 years and is buried at Elim Baptist Chapel, Fetter Lane, London.
Double-Pair Cased Pocket Watch by P. Edmond, Dublin, 1787,
showing the movement with finely pierced balance wheel cover.
The name engraved on the movement, perhaps surprisingly, was "P. Edmond, Dublin", and being numbered 7142. Very little is known about Mr Edmond and all published sources state that he ceased business in 1797. I have since found this cannot be correct as I have now sighted a watch he sold with a case dated for 1808. This illustrates the challenge of researching out and piecing together accurate information when there is a paucity of period records.
I strongly believe that Mr Edmond himself did not manufacture the movement. Over most of the 19th century watch and clock retailers would normally add their names to what they sold even though they were not the actual manufacturer. The mechanism will most likely be from a generic London manufacturer which would make more sense. Intriguingly, I have noted one watch sold by Mr Edmond, apparently dated 1790, and numbered 3446. having been sold on EBay but am unable to obtain an image of it. Another watch I have actually sighted is engraved for P. Edmond but dated for 1808 and numbered 1303. The latter movement is also of a different design. As mine is No 7142 and dated for 1797 I think this clearly tells us that the engraved number is for the unknown movement manufacturer and has nothing to do with Mr Edmond who simply engraved his name on it and sold it in his shop in Dublin. But if anyone has further information on Mr Edmond or has an Edmond watch I would be pleased to hear from you.
The watch itself includes a finely pierced and quite beautiful balance wheel cover typical of this period along with a numbered regulation wheel to increase or decrease the 'recoil' of the balance spring, thus at least having some control over the speed of the verge escarpment. The balance wheel is simply a piece of round flat steel with no temperature compensation. The back of the watch is truly a thing of beauty although almost permanently encased away from view. The inner case did not need to be opened to wind the watch, being achieved with a key suspended from the accompanying watch chain. The dial is of enamel with blackened steel hands. While the watch will go, the ratchet click (to stop the fusee cog uncontrollably spinning round) is broken with worn cog wheels and the repair to it is at best temporary. At some stage the small handle has been re-soldered onto the inner case. The original bulbous crystal (glass cover over the dial) is also missing.
"John Watson, Burnhead, Dalserf",
first confirmed owner of the watch.
From a book dated 1812.
[From my own collection]
The provenance of an item adds so much to its intrinsic value, this information often being lost in the mists of time. The very old style of watch chain is probably original to my family ownership of the watch but how it came to be purchased in Dublin is not known. It could easily be that the watch, then an expensive purchase, had been bought second hand. Attached to the end of the brass watch is a carved crystal wax letter seal with the initials "JW" in intaglio. This is the clue as to the original confirmed owner in my family, being John Watson, a tenant farmer to the Duke of Hamilton at "Burnhead Farm" in Dalserf Parish, Lanarkshire, Scotland. As John was only born in 1777 a second-hand purchase is more likely. John died at "Burnhead" in 1872, then aged a commendable 94 years.
John Watson of Crossford,
second owner of the watch
Taken circa 1870's,
Bowman Photo, Glasgow.
[From my own collection]
The watch and chain then passed to his son John Watson, born 1818, a grocer of Crossford, who died in 1883. Although he almost certainly never used it John's ownership of this watch is fully supported by a note left by his great niece. As John had latterly been residing with my Grandmother's family they retained the watch and chain (even though Watson family cousins still resided at 'Burnhead'), bringing it with them to New Zealand in 1911. But the watch would return to Scotland in 1922 when the then owner, James Watson (a great nephew of John Watson of Crossford), returned to Scotland to live. But after his death in 1957 his New Zealand brother and sisters asked for the watch back so it returned once more to New Zealand. My late mother, a niece of James Watson, gifted it to me in 1978 due to my interest in horology and being a descendant of the original confirmed owner, my Gt. Gt. Gt. Grandfather.
Double-Pair Cased Pocket Watch by P. Edmond, Dublin, 1787, showing the Fusee Drive gaduated cone.
As to who repaired the watch over the years, this can be seen by looking at the "watch papers" placed into the back of the double-pair case. When a watch was repaired, and assuming it was in a double-pair case, the watchmaker would place a paper in the back printed with his business name, sometimes writing the name of the owner, date and type of repair on the back. These watch papers also served the purpose of acting as cushioning. This watch includes no less than nine of these papers including an extra one of khaki coloured silk which may be original to the watch.
A Selection of Watch Papers
found in the back of my watch
The watch papers are printed with the various names of "William. Barr, Watch and Clockmaker, Hamilton" then later "Wm. Barr and Son...", "Morgan, Watch Maker, East [?] Side, South Bridge Street, Edinburgh", "James Bennie, Watch and Clock Maker, Jeweller etc, 4 Townhead Street, Hamilton". Unfortunately none of the papers carry a date, those of Mr Barr only having a repair number. So we must look at other sources to try and ascertain when these Watchmakers were active.
"Old Scottish Clockmakers" by John Smith (2nd Edition) published in 1921 usefully states that William Barr of "Muir Wynd, Hamilton" was in business from at least 1808 (when nine pocket watches were stolen from his premises) up to at least 1837. "William Barr, Watchmaker" and listed as "Head of Family" appears in Church of Scotland rolls dated 1834, 1836 and 1839. Historical records also tell us that William Barr died around late 1847 to early 1848. His wife Margaret, whom he had married in 1840, continued the business until she "sold her inventory" in 1851. A Rootsweb message left by a descendant states that William Barr, Watchmaker, was born in 1780 and evidently married twice. So he must have been in business from prior to 1808 until his death, when the business was being run jointly with his son.
Donald Whyte in "Clockmakers and Watchmakers of Scotland 1453 - 1900" published in 2005 notes James Bennie of 4 Townhead street as being in business from 1842 to 1852. I also note a James Bennie of Hamilton who appears in the 1861 census of Hamilton and who died in 1884 aged 54 years.
"Old Scottish Clockmakers from 1453 to 1850" records Thomas Morgan as being in business from 1767 to 1803. Period published sources also record him as a "watchmaker" in 1789 and additionally of "South Bridge Street" Edinburgh in 1800 and 1801. So this would appear to be the earliest watch paper with my watch. Although the first John Watson would have been 24 years of age by 1801 there is even the vague possibility that this watch paper relates to a previous owner.
Update Apr 2018 : Note the interesting public comment on Thomas Morgan posted in comments below which would now appear to date the watch paper to between 1790 and 1800. The paper itself would appear to record the address as "East Side" and "South Bridge Street" but is rather worn so indistinct.
These interesting watch papers certainly give a guide as to when the watch was in normal use but I believe the watch would have ceased being in use by the 1850's and certainly before the original confirmed owner died in 1883. The next owner was then an older man with a gold and a silver watch of his own. And in any case the Edmond watch is in a damaged state which indicates that upon the crystal cover breaking and / or the ratchet breaking it was put aside and then kept as a valued family keepsake. If you have read this far the very short video above shows the watch working.
Sources :
- Watson Family photographs and artefacts (held by the writer)
- "Old Scottish Clockmakers 1453 to 1850" by John Smith, 1921 [Google Books]
- Various Internet Sources
- Invercargill Public Library
- With my thanks to David Craig, Brisbane, Australia re Thomas Morgan
great publish, very informative. I wonder why the other experts of this sector don't understand this. You must proceed your writing. I'm confident, you have a huge readers' base already!
Hello, I was very interested to find your post as I also have a P. Edmonds Dublin watch. Mine is dated 1808 by the case, so a bit later than yours, and also strangely dated--no. 1303, which would seem to predate your 7142, but is in fact 21 years later. I could send you a photo if you like. Also a pair case watch. John
Thank you, I would love to see an image(s). My email address link is in right hand menu bar. I'm beginning to think this variation of numbers just proves that Edmond bought in movements from different manufacturers who added their own numbers rather than Edmond. The manufacturer may also have done the inscribing of Edmond's name upon orders of movements. Is it also a Rowney case? And that's obviously sold after the known end date of his business in 1797. Hope to see some patterns slowly emerge here. Fascinating research!
Hello Don, My case has a JW or TW script hallmark, I think possibly the mark of Thomas Wallis II, who died or possibly simply vanished from the records around 1808, about the date of the case. Here is a link to several pictures of the case--when I purchased it on ebay it was listed as L Edmond, but it is indeed a P. The movement is rather different than yours, with an open balance cock and lever regulator, and I think the engraving seems done by another hand, so perhaps your idea that a separate maker might have provided the movement, numbered and engraved it, is a good one. Here is the photo link- https://picclick.co.uk/Antique-solid-silver-pair-cased-verge-fusee-L-272656408848.html Best Regards, John
Hi Don. Very interesting article about the P Edmond watch. I came across it because of your reference to a Thomas Morgan, Edinburgh, watchpaper you found in the back of it. Thomas Morgan was my g-g-g-grandfather and I've done a lot of research on him and the clocks and watches he made. I know of 37 surviving examples of his work. This is the first of his watchpapers I have seen, so I'm grateful to you for posting a photo. I think I can help you with the date of Morgan's repair of the Edmond watch. From various Edinburgh Directories, Morgan operated from the following addresses:
Year Location 1778-79 Head of Bell's Wynd 1780-83 Back of Guard 1788-89 Head of Bell's Wynd 1790-1800 30 South Bridge, east side (Note: also listed at Cross, south side in Williamson’s 1794-96 directory) 1800-02 11 South Bridge, west side 1803-04 37 South Bridge 1804-05 9 Nicholson Street 1805-07 Infirmary Street (Note: No 1 from newspaper advertisement) 1807-08 19 College Street 1808-10 Lothian Street 1810-12 Not listed in Edinburgh directories 1812-13 Buccleuch Pend (Note: Morgan was living here when he died in 1813)
He was at the East Side of South Bridge address on the watchpaper from 1790 to about 1800. So I would expect that the repair was done to the Edmond watch in that period. As you suggest, this would appear to be the earliest watchpaper in your watch.
That's wonderful David and i'm so pleased that the watch paper was of such great interest to you. You have certainly done some detailed research as as a genealogist I commend you for your work. Best regards, Donald
great publish, very informative. I wonder why the other experts
ReplyDeleteof this sector don't understand this. You must proceed your writing.
I'm confident, you have a huge readers' base already!
Hello, I was very interested to find your post as I also have a P. Edmonds Dublin watch. Mine is dated 1808 by the case, so a bit later than yours, and also strangely dated--no. 1303, which would seem to predate your 7142, but is in fact 21 years later. I could send you a photo if you like. Also a pair case watch. John
ReplyDeleteThank you, I would love to see an image(s). My email address link is in right hand menu bar. I'm beginning to think this variation of numbers just proves that Edmond bought in movements from different manufacturers who added their own numbers rather than Edmond. The manufacturer may also have done the inscribing of Edmond's name upon orders of movements. Is it also a Rowney case? And that's obviously sold after the known end date of his business in 1797. Hope to see some patterns slowly emerge here. Fascinating research!
DeleteHello Don,
DeleteMy case has a JW or TW script hallmark, I think possibly the mark of Thomas Wallis II, who died or possibly simply vanished from the records around 1808, about the date of the case. Here is a link to several pictures of the case--when I purchased it on ebay it was listed as L Edmond, but it is indeed a P. The movement is rather different than yours, with an open balance cock and lever regulator, and I think the engraving seems done by another hand, so perhaps your idea that a separate maker might have provided the movement, numbered and engraved it, is a good one. Here is the photo link- https://picclick.co.uk/Antique-solid-silver-pair-cased-verge-fusee-L-272656408848.html Best Regards, John
That is so incredibly helpful, thank you. I've updated my blog to reflect this new information.
DeleteHi Don. Very interesting article about the P Edmond watch. I came across it because of your reference to a Thomas Morgan, Edinburgh, watchpaper you found in the back of it. Thomas Morgan was my g-g-g-grandfather and I've done a lot of research on him and the clocks and watches he made. I know of 37 surviving examples of his work. This is the first of his watchpapers I have seen, so I'm grateful to you for posting a photo. I think I can help you with the date of Morgan's repair of the Edmond watch. From various Edinburgh Directories, Morgan operated from the following addresses:
ReplyDeleteYear Location
1778-79 Head of Bell's Wynd
1780-83 Back of Guard
1788-89 Head of Bell's Wynd
1790-1800 30 South Bridge, east side (Note: also listed at Cross, south side in Williamson’s 1794-96 directory)
1800-02 11 South Bridge, west side
1803-04 37 South Bridge
1804-05 9 Nicholson Street
1805-07 Infirmary Street (Note: No 1 from newspaper advertisement)
1807-08 19 College Street
1808-10 Lothian Street
1810-12 Not listed in Edinburgh directories
1812-13 Buccleuch Pend (Note: Morgan was living here when he died in 1813)
He was at the East Side of South Bridge address on the watchpaper from 1790 to about 1800. So I would expect that the repair was done to the Edmond watch in that period. As you suggest, this would appear to be the earliest watchpaper in your watch.
Kind regards
David Craig
Brisbane, Australia
That's wonderful David and i'm so pleased that the watch paper was of such great interest to you. You have certainly done some detailed research as as a genealogist I commend you for your work. Best regards, Donald
DeleteYou're welcome, Donald. I'm always happy to share information where there's a mutual benefit. Cheers. David
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